Dulan’s Soul Food Kitchen

Dulan’s Soul Food Kitchen
1714 W Century Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90047
323-418-8527

I went to Dulan's back on  May 7, 2017. I finally found the pictures, so here is the review.  I went to the Dulan's on Manchester, and didn't think too much of the food.  But, I read that Adloph Dulan passed away in May 1, 2017, and decided to try the Dulan's on Century Blvd.  Mr. Dulan first opened an Orange Julius, an old school orange juice store, that were in malls all over.  Then he opened Hamburger City and then expanded to a few locations, including Marina Del Rey.  At the Hamburger City in Marina Del Rey, he turned it into Aunty Kizzy's, and his soul food empire took off. There is a Dulan's on Crenshaw, that is owned by his son, and these two Dulan's. 

The first Dulan's on Century used to be just went of Crenshaw.  But, they moved within the past year or so, to a location a few blocks east on Century, at the location of the former, Berth's, a very good soul food restaurant.

This Dulan's is a small restaurant with the steam table as you enter and some tables at the far end of the restaurant.  There are some tables outside.  But, this is mostly a take out operation.

On Sundays Dulan's serves their Sunday Dinner the entire day.  You can pick an entree, with 3 sides, a dessert and a drink.  Baked fish, dressing, mac & cheese, orka and corn, $19.45.  The dressing is underneath the fish.

This fish is swai, which is close to catfish.  This was very well seasoned and flavorful. The fish is mild in flavor and has a nice flakey texture.

Mac n cheese was very good.  Nice creamy cheese and perfectly cooked macaroni.  I only ate the corn and it was very good.  Okra and I just don't get along.  The dressing, some may call it stuffing, is very good.  Full of flavor, you'll notice pepper and celery, and filling.

Service was very good.  There was a huge line on the Sunday I went, it went out the door.  But, the line moved very quickly.  When you got inside the door, a very nice lady took your order, wrote it on the container and then she dropped it off to the workers behind the steam table.  It's a very well run process, and it moved quickly.

The Dulan's on Century was much better than the Dulan's on Manchester!  I would go back!

The Melt-Closed

The Melt
7870 Monet Ave Ste 1050
Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91739
909-332-3342

The Melt is a San Francisco Bay Area based chain.  I went toThe Melt at the Americana in Glendale, which is now closed, and thought it was pretty good.  I found out that The Melt had a location at the Victoria Gardens in Rancho Cucamonga, and since I've never been to Victoria Gardens, I decided to go.

The Melt is on a corner lot with a good sized dining area in the middle of the room.  The line to order is to the left as you enter. The Melt trys to appeal the hipster crowd with their decor.  I find it boring, but whatever!

3 Cheese classic with sharp cheddar, muenster, and fontina cheese, $5.99 on artisan French bread with jalapenos.  Florentine bacon mac & cheese, $4.99- No bacon, creamy cheddar, fontina & provolone with spinach and crispy onions.

The 3 Cheese classic was ok, but I was expecting more flavor!  Maybe the muenster and fontina balanced out the sharp cheddar or maybe the sharp cheddar isn't as sharp.  But, it was lacking flavor.  Good thing I added the jalapenos!  That added a nice kick to the grilled cheese.  The artisan French bread was good though.

Like an idiot, I ordered the Florentine bacon mac & cheese without the bacon, instead of the trio mac & cheese, which is $3.99.  For that extra $1 I got bits of spinach.  Totally not worth the extra price.  Florentine actually means a dish serve with spinach!  But, the mac & cheese was very creamy and the amount of cheese was great.  The macaroni was a bit undercooked, too tough and chewy, maybe another 2-3 minutes in the pot and it would have been fine.

Service was good.  Nice and friendly.  But, you can order on tablets instead of the counter, but the tablets only accept cards, no cash!  I wish they would have a sign, wasted a few minutes ordering on the tablets, only to find they do not accept cash.

I wouldn't go back to The Melt again.

Busy Bee Market

Busy Bee Market
2413 S Walker Ave
San Pedro, CA 90731
310-832-8660

Busy Bee Market is a San Pedro institution. Almost all locals know about the sandwiches at Busy Bee Market.  They are known for their belly-buster sandwich-2 hot meats of your choice.  They also have a torpedo sandwich-cold cut combos that are ready made.  This is a cash only operation!  Go to the ATM before you get there!

It's a small market with lots of soda and chips.  They have some condiments like mustard and ketchup, but I didn't see other items you would expect to see at a market-soap, laundry detergent etc.  You get in line for sandwich to the left as you enter.  Order your sandwich and take it up to the register to pay.

Veggie sandwich, $8.25, mayo, mustard, provolone cheese, lettuce, pickles, avocado, and tomatoes.  I asked them to hold the onions.  The bread is very good-nice and soft inside with a great outside texture!  They sell the rolls, which is made at a bakery in Rancho Palos Verdes.  The veggies were all fresh, and the avocado added a creaminess to the sandwich.  I wish they had another type of cheese, cheddar would be good. 

Service was good.  The man who made my sandwich was nice and the sandwich was made quickly.  The guy at the register was also nice. 

I get why Busy Bee Market is popular and busy.  I've heard on Saturdays, they are closed on Sunday, lines are out the door!  When I went lines were a couple steps inside the doors.  If you're a meat eater, all their meat sandwiches look great!  I won't rush back because while the veggie sandwich was good, it's not something I would rush back for. 

22nd St Landing Seafood Grill & Bar

22nd St Landing Seafood Grill & Bar
141 A W 22nd St
San Pedro, CA 90731
310-548-4400

A few years back I went to 22nd St Landing Seafood Grill & Bar in San Pedro.  I thought the food was ok, and I was back in San Pedro and decided to go there for lunch.  22nd St Landing Seafood Grill & Bar is a huge restaurant that seems to take up the entire second floor of this building.  The dining area is a dated, a fresh coat of paint and new flooring would do this restaurant a world of good.

The back wall has huge windows which give you a great view of the marina!  If the sun is shining, it can get hot but the hostess will say you can pull down the shade.  There are booths and tables spread out over the middle part of the restaurant.  A good sized bar is on the right side of the dining area.

Alaskan halibut, $28 on the bill, $27 on the menu near the entrance of the restaurant, with rice pilaf and steamed veggies.

The halibut was a decent sized portion and was grilled over wood.  Good flavor though the top part was a bit tough, as if it had been on the grill a little long.  But, it was moist and flavorful.  The veggies were ok, too much squash and zucchini for my tastes.  Rice pilaf was good, but a very small portion.

Overall, I don't think this was worth the $28 price tag.  I got the restaurant about 11:15am, thinking it opened at 11am.  But, they opened at 11:30am and during the wait, I checked out the lunch menu at the entrance.  That menu said $27 for the Alaskan halibut.  Since I already knew what I wanted to order, I didn't really look at the menu that I was given.  That menu price of the halibut could have been $28.

Now, it's only $1 but they need to put an up to date menu at the entrance.  The server was nice and I wasn't lacking for anything.  So, I wasn't going to argue about $1. But management needs to get on the ball.

I won't go back to 22nd St Landing Seafood Grill & Bar.  It's only ok, and there are much better options nearby!

Natalie Peruvian Seafood Restaurant

Natalie Peruvian Seafood Restaurant
5759 Hollywood Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90028
323-463-8340

Natalie Peruvian Seafood Restaurant has been on my list of places to try for a few years.  I'm not usually in the area, but when a friend wanted to try Peruvian for her birthday, I remembered Natalie.  Located in a small shopping center with a 7-11, a Thai restaurant, and another California Donut, Natalie is a a small restaurant with about 8-10 tables.  It wasn't that crowded when we were there.

SALTADO DE CAMARONES-shrimp sauteed with onions, tomatoes, french fries and served with steamed rice $14.25.

I've reviewed a few Peruvian restaurants, and I usually order the Tallarin Saltado which is noodles with usually, shrimp.  So, I decided to change it up and order the saltado de camarones.  This was an interesting combo with carbs and more carbs.  There were about 8-10 small sized shrimp, decent flavor, but nothing great.  The fries became soggy in all the juice.  The rice was well cooked.

Service was ok.  Our server wasn't the friendliest, she just went through the motions.  Drinks weren't refilled.  And she asked how things were right after she dropped off the food!  I mean give us a few minutes before asking.

As with most Peruvian restaurants, I think this is overpriced for what you get.  I won't return.

Casita del Campo

 Casita del Campo
1920 Hyperion Ave
Los Angeles, CA 90027
323-662-4255

Casita del Campo has been in business since 1962.  Located on the very busy Hyperion Ave, just south of Tomato Pie Pizza Joint, it's a huge bright pink building, and so old that vegetation is growing on the most of the building!

There are two entrances, one from Hyperion and the other from the back parking lot.  When you enter from Hyperion, you walk right into the bar area-which has booths surrounding it.  Then there are couple dining areas with tables.  It's a very dark restaurant.  

Vegetable burrito-$12, broccoli carrots, zucchini, tomatoes, black beans, white rice, guacamole, pico de gallo.  This was an overpriced, no flavor, under seasoned burrito.  I could have save a few bucks by going to Chipotle!  While everything was well cooked, it was so bland!  I didn't realize the guacamole and pico de gallo were inside the burrito, I thought they would come separate! I had to put some of the salsa from the chips and salsa, to add flavor.   While I realize beans and rice were inside the burrito, $12 for this burrito with no sides, is just too much!

Service was friendly and pretty good.  My drinks were refilled quickly, the server came by to ask how everything was, and I wasn't lacking for anything.  He also dropped off the check without me asking for it.

I wouldn't go back to Casita del Campo!  I don't understand how they are in business, because there are so many good Mexican places and the pop up taco stand so close by! 

Nomura Sushi

Nomura Sushi
14622 Ventura Blvd Ste 207
Los Angeles, CA 91403
818-981-3844

Parts of Ventura Blvd. in the Valley have the nickname, Sushi Row, because there are some great sushi restaurants.  Nomura Sushi is a place I tried about 2-3 years ago and I remembered it being pretty good.  So, I was in Sherman Oaks, and decided to give them another try.

Located in a two story complex, Nomura is a small restaurant with the sushi bar along the left wall and tables in the other part.  Use your GPS because it is hard to find while driving, since the front signage isn't good.  They have a validated parking lot in the back or find metered street parking.

Tuna sushi and yellowtail sushi, $6.50 each.  Both pieces of fish were huge!! Both were pretty fresh but not top quality sushi.  There was also a very small amount of rice, which wasn't sticky, it just fell apart when dipping into the soy sauce.

Veggie hand roll, cucumber, avocado, gobo, sprouts, seaweed and mushroom, $5.50.  I didn't taste or see any avocado.  But, this was pretty good.  The sushi chef handled the roll to me without a plate, not what I expected!

Shrimp tempura roll, $7 happy hour price, $9.50 regular price.  This was a small roll, with a very small piece of shrimp tempura.  Barely worth the happy hour price of $7.  Unless this roll has more pieces at the regular price it isn't worth it.

Service was good.  I sat at the sushi bar and while no other customers came into the restaurant, I got my food quickly and drinks refilled.

I wouldn't go back to Nomura.  It wasn't as good as the first time I went there. 

Rutt’s Hawaiian Cafe

Rutt’s Hawaiian Cafe
11707 Washington Pl
Los Angeles, CA 90066
310-398-6326

Rutt’s Hawaiian Cafe has been featured on Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives, on the Food Network.  They used to be on Washington BLVD.  But, earlier in 2017, they moved to a bigger location on Washington PLACE.  Matter of fact just a few blocks west of Tito's Tacos!

It's an interesting restaurant.  On the east side of the building is their "express service"  There are some tables and a window to order food.  The main dining area has a bar and tables spread out.

Salmon Royales, $10.45 3 egg scrambled omelette over white rice, onions, bean sprouts, green onions, with a sweet Hawaiian roll.

This is an weird dish.  The eggs, rice, bean sprouts and onions were pretty bland.  But, the salmon was salty as hell, and there was a very small amount of salmon!  If you put teriyaki sauce this dish had some flavor.  But, overall not a good dish.  There is a lot of food, but most of it is rice, which is inexpensive, and veggies.  Very little salmon, which is the reason you're paying the $10.45.

Service is below average.  They are friendly when I asked if this was a new location.  But I was never asked how the food was.  They never refilled my drink.

I wouldn't go back to Rutt's Hawaiian Cafe again. At best mediocre food and below average service, no thank you!

Royal Delhi Palace

Royal Delhi Palace
22323 Sherman Way Ste 11
Canoga Park, CA 91303
818-992-0913

A few blocks west of Cavaretta's Italian Groceries, is Royal Delhi Palace.  Located in a huge shopping center with a Ralph's as it's main anchor.  Royal Delhi Palace takes up four stores in the center.  The three other places are for banquets.  The main dining area is to the left.  It's a good sized restaurant with about 20 tables.  There is a long buffet table along the far wall.  One of the very few Indian restaurants that serve the buffet on weekends.  I took full advantage of the buffet.  It is $8.99 everyday.  Some restaurants would raise the price on weekends.

There is a decent selection of items on the buffet table.  They have a couple chicken dishes for meat eaters.  There were about 6-8 items for vegetarians. 

Garlic naan bread.  This should be renamed cilantro bread.  Filled with a ton of cilantro but very little garlic.  Just average.

Basmati rice, samosa, and yellow daal.  I'm surprised to see samosa on the buffet, since it is usually pricey and, if good sells well on the regular menu.  But, the samosa was abundant on the buffet.  A good example with well seasoned potatoes and peas, with a light flaky outside.

Basmati rice was well cooked.

Yellow daal-good but a bit underseasoned.  Whenever I go to an Indian restaurant I expect/know the food will be flavorful with a lot of seasoning and spices.  This was lacking the seasoning, but had a nice kick.

Saag paneer-spinach and cheese.  Usually don't see saag paneer with cheese, but this was good, but again, underseasoned.  Matter a fact, pretty bland. 

Shahi paneer-curry sauce with Indian cheese.  This is something new for me.  The curry was pretty bland and the cheese was firm and had a very mild taste.

 Mushroom matar-potatoes, peas, and mushrooms.  This was a good dish.  Huges pieces of potatoes, onions, and mushrooms all well seasoned and flavorful.

Service was good but very military like.  They had two servers in charge of the entire room.  While the room got a bit packed, they handled everything.  Nobody lacked for refills or having their plates cleared.  But, they would just stand towards the front of the room and just stare at every table, waiting to pounce on a finish plate or empty water.  It's almost as if they would get fired if even one plate was left on the table.  It's just weird to have servers so intense!  They need to take a chill pill!

Royal Delhi Palace was well worth the price, but the food lacked seasoning.  There are many other Indian restaurants to try, so no need to come back!

Cindy’s Eagle Rock

Cindy’s Eagle Rock
1500 Colorado Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90041
323-257-7375

Cindy's has been in Eagle Rock forever under many owners!  Just a few blocks east of CaCao Mexicatessen, and across the street from the now closed Larkin's, the current owners really revamped the restaurant.  They set up a Go Fund Me account to pay for the renovation of their iconic sign!

It's a fairly small restaurant with booths along the windows and a good sized counter.  They were packed the day I went and customers just kept coming in!

Veggie burger- $9.50- chicken fried portobello burger with sweet corn relish, goat cheese, and red pepper sauce with mixed green salad.

They have seven different veggie burgers, how often they veggie burger changes depends on how quickly the batch of veggie burgers are gone.  I was intrigued by the chicken fried portobello burger and ordered it.  It was very good.  The portobello mushroom was moist and tender.  The batter was very good, crispy and held up to the conidments/  The goat cheese fresh and the red pepper sauce was too tangy.  But, otherwise a great burger.  Yes, it's not the most healthiest veggie burger, but it's different and I would order this again!

Service was pretty good.  We sat at the counter, so our server came by often.  Though she didn't refill my drink that often.  But, she was friendly and helpful.

I always heard Cindy's was overpriced for mediocre food.  I found the prices to be fair, especially for the area and the food to be very good.  I would go back!

Paco’s Mexican Restaurant

Paco’s Mexican Restaurant
200 E Foothill Blvd
Arcadia, CA 91006
626-357-7270

While driving on Foothill Blvd. I noticed Paco's Mexican Restaurant and decided to drop in.  It's a Mexican-American food.  If you're expecting authentic Mexican food, you will not find it here!  But, I judge restaurants by what they are, not what they are not!  If they serve up great food, I could care less if it is authentic Mexican!

It's a fairly big restaurant with a small parking lot.  But, there is street parking.  If you walk straight in you will be in the bar, which was pretty busy considering it was about 1pm on a weekday.  The two dining areas are to the right.

Quesadilla Vegetariana, $11.25, large flour tortilla with jack cheese, roasted peppers, zucchini, mushrooms, corn, pico de gallo. Served with sour cream and guacamole.

This was a greasy mess!  I should have flipped over the quesadilla to see the oily greasy mess.  While there was plenty of zucchini, there weren't many peppers or corn.  The tortilla was grilled well, and if it was just a cheese quesadilla it would have been pretty good.  But, all the oil used to sauteed the vegetables just made this a greasy mess.

Service was friendly but just ok.  My drink wasn't refilled.  I wasn't asked how everything was.  I got there just at the end of the lunch rush.  When I got there most of the tables were filled.  By the time I got my food, most the tables were empty.  When I left there may have been 3-4 tables with people eating.  So, they weren't busy.

I wouldn't go back to Paco’s Mexican Restaurant. 

Astro Family Restaurant

Astro Family Restaurant
2300 Fletcher Dr
Los Angeles, CA 90039
323-663-9241

Astro is a googie architecture style restaurant.  Googie architecture was popular from about the late 40's until the 1960's.  Think of that cartoon The Jetsons, and you basically have googie architecture!  Astro is a long time diner in a douchebag hipster neighborhood.  While the restaurant looks huge from the outside, it's not really that big inside.  There are booths along the windows and a long counter on the right side of the building.  I think there is a room if you went straight after walking in.

It was very slow for a dinner rush.  Maybe 4 to 5 tables with customers.  

Garden burger, $11.75, with lettuce, tomatoes, thousand island dressing, with cole slaw and onion rings. This was terrible!  The patty is just bland, flavorless and I'm pretty sure frozen then nuked in the microwave.  But, really an unasembled burger?  Come on, at least place the top half of the bun on the plate and not underneath the patty and the other part of the bun!  The veggies were fresh, but the lettuce was wet!  Dry off the lettuce before serving it up!

Onion rings were ok.  Lukewarm at best, and straight from the freezer to the fryer. 

Service was good. 

After eating here, I know why they were slow during dinner time!  Astro Family Restaurant is nothing but an overpriced, very underwhelming diner.  I thought about ordering fish and chips, and they were about $18.  Fried shrimp was about $22?  Really??  I won't come back!

Eagle Rock Public House

Eagle Rock Public House
1627 Colorado Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90041
323-739-0081

Across the street from CaCao Mexicatessen is Eagle Rock Public House.  Owned by the Eagle Rock Brewery people, whose actual brew house is in Glassell Park.  But, a nice addition to the dining scene on Colorado Blvd. in Eagle Rock; which recently lost the Blue Hen restaurant!  

It's a huge place with plenty of tables and a bar in the middle.  They have a garage door that is great when there is a nice breeze, but better be closed in hot weather!

Fried cod sandwich-$15. Manifesto batter, slaw, malt vinegar aioli.  I went to Eagle Rock Public House a couple years ago, forgot to do a review.  But, if I did; it would have been a bad one.  I found it to be an overpriced mediocre small plates place. Their menu still has a lot of small plate items, but this is a substantial sandwich!

But, I looked at their menu and saw this fried cod sandwich, which I don't think was on the menu the last time I went.  But, what a great sandwich!!  A huge piece of cod perfectly fried with a great light crispy batter!! The slaw had cabbage, red onions, and pickled jalapenos added a great flavor to the sandwich.  The slaw would be a great side item to!  This sandwich was well worth the price!  I would order this again!

Service was good.

I'm glad I went back to Eagle Rock Public House!  I won't wait two years to return!

India Sweets & Spices

India Sweets & Spices
3126 Los Feliz Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90039
323-345-0360

India Sweets & Spices is a combination Indian grocery store and a steam table of food.  They have plenty of seating to dine in. It's a huge place and is usually busy.

Samosa- $1 each. My standard for samosa is Samosa House.  The samosa here is just ok.  Nothing great.  It is spicy.  The samosa are sitting on the steam table but they are not kept warm.  They are kept at room temp.  They are potatoes,  spices, and peas.  It's ok, a bit some spicy than Samosa House, but not nearly as good.  One huge factor is that Samosa House fries the samosa to order.  They are not sitting unheated on a steam tray!

Service is bad.  I got to the counter and two ladies are talking and while we make eye contact, they never bother to stop and come help me.  This must have continued for a few minutes.  Then one lady finally gets up but then a man, maybe the owner, has her do something.  So the other lazy lady comes up to help me.  

I won't go back to India Sweets & Spices.  Bad service and mediocre food are a bad combination!

Flore Vegan Cuisine-Moved

Flore Vegan Cuisine
3818 W Sunset Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90026
323-953-0611

A couple miles south of Sage, a terrible vegan restaurant in Echo Park, is  Flore Vegan Cuisine in the Sunset Junction part of Silver Lake.  A small restaurant with seating outside on the very busy Sunset Blvd.

BLTA-$12. Tempeh bacon, green leaf lettuce, tomato, avocado, egg-less mayo on sourdough with choice of salad or cole slaw! What a great sandwich!!  Full of flavor and well balanced.  The tempeh bacon was fantastic!  If I didn't know it tasted exactly like bacon!  Salty, crispy and a good portion!  The sourdough bread was fine.  The veggies fresh and the mayo and avocado made for a moist sandwich!  The side salad was good sized, with green leaf lettuce, carrots, cucumbers, and sprouts.  The vegan thousand island dressing was great, a tangy yet sweet dressing made vegan!  This sandwich was well worth the price.

Service was good.  It wasn't that busy and only one server, but she dropped by often.  She didn't ask what I wanted to drink, but brought water a couple moments later. The menu I got was very dirty with crap all over the pages.  They need to do a better job of making sure those menus are clean!

I like Flore and would go back, but the dirty menu has me freaked about how clean their kitchen is.  They have an A grade from the healthy department, but if they can't keep their menu clean, how clean is their kitchen?

The Morrison

The Morrison
3179 Los Feliz Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90039
323-667-1839

The Morrison is across the street from Giamela's, an ok pizza place with terrible service the last time I went.  It's a huge gastropub with an L-shaped bar on the left and booths along the back wall.  There is a long community table that is as high as a bar, right in the middle of the room when you walk in.

It's a dark place with black paint normally.  The day I went they had Halloween decorations up, which made it even darker. 

Veggie sliders, $6, with grilled onions and tomatoes.  While the menu says it comes with home made BBQ sauce, there were no condiments on the burger. They give you a four condiment tray with ketchup, BBQ sauce, mustard and mayo.  So, you can out what you want, and as much as you want!

The veggie slider was just ok.  The patty is made with corn, beans, rice, cilantro, carrots, panko, oatmeal.  A good size and filling.  But, nothing great.  The veggie burger is regularly $13. I would not have been happy paying $13 for full veggie burger.  They have a portobello mushroom burger, also for $13, on their regular menu.  If I come back, I may give that a try!

Mac n cheese, $6, happy hour price, $9 regular price.  Macaroni, cream cheese, whole milk, butter, flour, Tapatio, jalapenos, garlic, shallots, and bread crumbs.

This was a huge dish, well worth the $6 happy hour price.  I didn't taste any of the Tapatio or jalapenos.  But, this was a great mac n cheese.  A very creamy cheese sauce, while a bit underseasoned, it was very good.  The mac n cheese was cooked perfectly.  I like spicy food but didn't taste any spice in this mac and cheese.  But, I really liked this mac and cheese.

Service was below average but friendly.  While everybody from the hostess to the server was nice, it was too slow.  I was seated quickly by the hostess.  A couple minutes later a host took my drink order.  Why they have 2-3 host/hostess is beyond me!  But, they were fine.  Then I wait, then wait, then wait, and wait some more.  Finally I see a third hostess and ask who is my server.  She goes gets the server and I place my order.  He comes back with my sliders and refills my drink.  A runner came by with the mac n cheese a few minutes later.  The server comes back once again to ask how everything was.  Then I ask for my check.  I must have waited another 5 minutes for the check.  Most of the tables were filled in the restaurant, but there were plenty of other servers.  I don't know why the service was so slow.  My entire time there would have been about 20 minutes less, if service wasn't so slow.

The mac n cheese was the highlight for me.  A great example of mac n cheese.  But, service was slow and the burgers, which they are known for, was just ok.  It maybe awhile before I go back!